tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post3592106605638396258..comments2023-10-30T01:13:34.065-07:00Comments on Rogue Artists: H is for HEATHENJudiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02778815502961000469noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-55094673964747799502012-01-24T14:56:58.076-08:002012-01-24T14:56:58.076-08:00Jen, that is exactly the issue Rod and I have foun...Jen, that is exactly the issue Rod and I have found with his evangelical brother and sisters. No scientific explanation on the face of the earth could ever change their closed little minds. They merely stick their fingers in their ears, and sing "lalalalalala!"Judiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02778815502961000469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-42923012274619227642012-01-24T14:32:31.504-08:002012-01-24T14:32:31.504-08:00Well then, I guess that makes me a heathen too! I...Well then, I guess that makes me a heathen too! I stopped being a part of Church when I was in college (the first time a decade ago). A lot of it had to do with the fact that after my grandfather passed away, I couldn't seek the comfort I needed at any church services because he wasn't Catholic and was labeled a sinner as such. I did however found a bunch of shoulders to cry on among the LGBT community which then encouraged me to volunteer and help them. The moment I became a friend of that community, people I've known all my life from church began to distant themselves from me and would give me a look of disgust when I talk about the outreach programs we do with students who are having trouble coming out. Their reactions as well as my being told that I'm going to hell for supporting such sinful acts drove me from wanting any part of organized religion. It's so sad sometimes to not be a part of a religion but I believe in God and his love for all his children and I think that's good enough for me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13213360287207409416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-19750308280616283352012-01-21T07:17:11.891-08:002012-01-21T07:17:11.891-08:00Hooray! Hooray! Here I am! Hooray!
Now.
...Hooray! Hooray! Here I am! Hooray! <br /><br />Now.<br /><br />As to being a heathen...my parents always pair another H word with heathen...and that is hell...which is where they tell me I am going because I am a heathen.<br /><br />Sigh.<br /><br />Hooray for H links that make me want to smack my parents - ha!<br /><br />Just kiddin'.<br /><br />Thanks for linking.<br /><br />Nice to be able to visit you again!<br /><br />Hugs and A+Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12462124067637610359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-47319143418427612772012-01-18T20:03:39.833-08:002012-01-18T20:03:39.833-08:00I dislike all the mega churches and the use of God...I dislike all the mega churches and the use of God so recklessly. I was raised a Catholic and I lost faith in them long ago. If the Catholic and Mormon churches alone donated a small portion of their wealth they could literally fed the world! Goes double for politicians too! and celebrities! Ack!<br />But I understand your dismay. We have been there too. Once we attended a church we really liked. Then our son told us a kid in the Sunday school class told him to shape up or else! He said his dad was the preacher man and my kid better get a gripe! We never went back! Jacknut! Then we attended a church where one Sunday we were leaving and a guy was selling materials out of the back of his car. He had been one of them evidently and someone ratted him out cause a bigshot from the church came over and demanded he leave ASAP! Give me a break! In front of the guys little kids! Weird! Never went back there either! Hmmm...the Hare Kirshna Center in Denver has enough gold in its dome to fed Denver for ten years!<br />Does Mitt Romney think he is going to be a god when he dies? B A L O N E Y ! Ask a homeless person how "church" people treat them! You will be shocked at the answers you get! I know I am rambling! But I have a lot to say! There are lots of frauds out in the world. But it is biblical and there are many false churches. what is truly sad is I know people that attend them! :(<br />Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets , which comes to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Annesphamilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09355786666073982088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-62673342352772384352012-01-17T11:15:55.511-08:002012-01-17T11:15:55.511-08:00It is sad that you have had such an experience. I ...It is sad that you have had such an experience. I can relate to the heartache and headache but I am still a Christian. I get angry and frustrated but I choose to live my life as compassionately as I can and do my best to drive around the ugliness.<br /><br />ErikaErika https://www.blogger.com/profile/02042799019418411409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-39496921784882489082012-01-17T09:07:25.747-08:002012-01-17T09:07:25.747-08:00SLS, the mega-churches and the churches spewing ha...SLS, the mega-churches and the churches spewing hatred are the ones who seem to always make the news because they are always trying to mix religion with politics to further their own agenda.Judiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02778815502961000469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-73317499729192601272012-01-17T07:04:38.949-08:002012-01-17T07:04:38.949-08:00How sad and often tragic that there are people wh...How sad and often tragic that there are people who take such dire advantage of others in the name of God! It truly is sickening. Not only have I read your post, I read the comments. It certainly is a thought-provoking post! If Jesus were to come back today, a lot of tables would be turned over!<br />Not all churches are ugly. Not all so called church leaders are money grubbing and power hungry. I have seen that ugliness, though.<br />On a positive note, I am part of a church that is about God. yes, really. one that spiritually feeds (as askcherlock wrote above). rare, no doubt. <br />a small background: brought up in church, left church but involved in spiritual group, then on own for long time.Splendid Little Starshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10732090154244573323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-68057968156618321572012-01-16T11:29:46.694-08:002012-01-16T11:29:46.694-08:00Your development over the years is exactly like mi...Your development over the years is exactly like mine, and I also have the relatives like yours.ChrisJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13139508470517226199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-31868519656234026812012-01-16T02:57:05.889-08:002012-01-16T02:57:05.889-08:00I am half-way becoming a HEATHEN for all the reaso...I am half-way becoming a HEATHEN for all the reason you've listed here. I really didn't like the many requests for money at all.~✽Mumsy✽~https://www.blogger.com/profile/10644719969613080399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-69764291055566416962012-01-14T12:17:46.954-08:002012-01-14T12:17:46.954-08:00I am right there with you, my heathen sister, abou...I am right there with you, my heathen sister, about churches---especially mega-churches---of today! I went to be spiritually fed and all I got was a song and a dance. Let them call us heathens. We are probably more spiritual in our own ways than those who claim a pew and boot you out if you inadvertently sit in it! Let us pray...that as church membership declines, these folks will get the message. "Give me some of that old time religion."Cher Duncombehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00070334939399949702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-52712170042739505542012-01-14T07:34:06.096-08:002012-01-14T07:34:06.096-08:00Everyone, Gattina has made an excellent point in h...Everyone, Gattina has made an excellent point in her comment. When Rod and I lived in Memphis, TN., we were very active in the Methodist church. We were members of a Sunday school class that had many socials, and I taught confirmation classes to 6th graders. One day, a retired minister of the church started hanging around my class every week, and it wasn't long before he started making a move on me. I reported him to the head minister. I was sick to my stomach. Not long after that, Rod and I began to realize that the only reason we were so involved is because it had become a social outlet--nothing more. We left.<br /><br />Rod's dear mum, whom you all know I adored, was constantly receiving mail from tv evangelists to give them money. It made us furious! She was so sweet and generous and naive that they were bleeding her dry. Pat Robertson was one of the worst. She was so excited to receive a birthday card from him and showed it to me. On the front of the card was NOT a picture of Jesus, but of Robertson. She and I discussed that card, and it was the beginning of the end of her contributions. Robertson even had three-day cruises to the Bahamas for members of his "flock," to discuss their finances. We were lucky that Mum was such a home-body. She wanted to go, but was afraid to leave her home. She was in her 90's at the time. Mum died in 2010, and since Rod was executor of her estate, the churches and politicians followed us home, and still send mail to our house. They even call us. I am very blunt with them, and those of you who know me, know that I take no prisoners.Judiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02778815502961000469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-11993659236148025842012-01-14T05:47:23.913-08:002012-01-14T05:47:23.913-08:00Fantastic post, Judie. You spoke from deep inside ...Fantastic post, Judie. You spoke from deep inside your heart. Many of today's churches seem to have no idea what they are doing wrong. They are being led by humans and not by a Super Being.EG CameraGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12803759124643467711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-52453049202341345752012-01-14T05:38:10.685-08:002012-01-14T05:38:10.685-08:00We are in an era of disillusionment for sure--reli...We are in an era of disillusionment for sure--religion, politics, etc. It makes me wonder what will become of us as our experiences become more diverse and we lose the interpersonal bonds that are one of the benefits of church life. And, for the record, I'm a "heathen" too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-43206535352883095392012-01-14T01:03:41.014-08:002012-01-14T01:03:41.014-08:00You speak right out of my heart ! We are exactly l...You speak right out of my heart ! We are exactly like you and Rod. The church gives me nausea ! It is a big business. Poor Jesus, looking at the one who should represent him, living in a palace with servants and special soldiers, wears diamonds and is one of richest man in the world ??<br />I am living in a 90 % catholic country. In Belgium everybody is catholic although less and less go to church because they have their own believes just like you and me. <br />In short, the churches are empty besides a few old people and they only go there to chat about the neighbors. Church has nothing to do with faith, it's all man made. I have my own personal one. <br />In America the church also is a social institution if you live in a small town first thing is to choose a church otherwise you are an outsider ! I see American families coming to live in Waterloo for a few years are surprised of our "church" life. So they found another institution to get together : "The American Woman Club" but the men go there too it's just to meet together.<br />When my American aunt died she and my uncle made a testament leaving the house to me, because they had no children. You know what happened ? My aunt died, my 85 year old uncle was suddenly surrounded by church people and they convinced him to change the testament and leave all his belongings to the church ! I couldn't do anything about it, although all of my aunts neighbors tried to help me with laywers etc. But there was nothing to do the last will is the last will. So I am allergic to money hungry churches ! Fortunately politics and religion are strictly separated here. I don't even know what our prime minister is, probably a catholic, lol !Gattinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06636525277807715146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-6500846242512888002012-01-13T13:37:00.112-08:002012-01-13T13:37:00.112-08:00Thank goodness you got that out in the open ... he...Thank goodness you got that out in the open ... heathen here ... but still following the golden rule and 10 commandments and love to do nice things for nice people and give back when and where i can ... Hugs to you my heathen friend!Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270665398498790951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-14550162170492193712012-01-13T09:57:46.075-08:002012-01-13T09:57:46.075-08:00Have I told you I think you are one super woman, J...Have I told you I think you are one super woman, Judie!?Franciscahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733111654769386624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-1512796655776005692012-01-13T09:33:21.660-08:002012-01-13T09:33:21.660-08:00That was a great, insightful and thoughtful post J...That was a great, insightful and thoughtful post Judie !!!<br /><br />You are not a heathen just 'cause you're done with organized religion. Church going is not for everyone and who are we to judge others anyway ???Nonnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03227580166409342214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-6275062821600602982012-01-13T09:28:20.483-08:002012-01-13T09:28:20.483-08:00It sounds like you visited some very unique church...It sounds like you visited some very unique churches.JDaniel4's Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354900916937838719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-87723290037283421982012-01-13T09:08:40.536-08:002012-01-13T09:08:40.536-08:00I see that our views on the church are coming, but...I see that our views on the church are coming, but I have left from adolescence to follow any religion. Greetings.Leovihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970831445283294241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-21869139847402778052012-01-13T08:06:07.797-08:002012-01-13T08:06:07.797-08:00Well, if you're a heathen, there will a gigant...Well, if you're a heathen, there will a gigantic queue standing right behind you!<br /><br />XOXO Lola:)<br /><br />PS Love the pic of Liz the Elf at top! She looks so cute: does she need a PR agent?!Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968497741386697440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-724379862018813522012-01-12T22:12:14.228-08:002012-01-12T22:12:14.228-08:00If you're a heathen, then there will be a line...If you're a heathen, then there will be a line-up to join.Pondsidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02407539138546412482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-91929029869780155142012-01-12T19:55:49.188-08:002012-01-12T19:55:49.188-08:00Some of my best friends are heathens...heehee..so ...Some of my best friends are heathens...heehee..so maybe that makes me one too? You know, guilt by association? But seriously, if you're a heathen, then I think you're the best kind there is. One who is kind and concerned for others, one who withholds judgment, etc etc etc. So you will still love me when I say that I was a confirmed heathen who decided that organized religion could be a wonderful thing for me?...I've found a church that is right for me. Doesn't mean you have to feel the same. I'll still follow your blog...joyfully! And respect you for feeling the way you do. Nice post. Now I'll have to go check out the other heathen(s). :)anitamombanitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03705021153044549156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-22761985330750135862012-01-12T17:12:28.428-08:002012-01-12T17:12:28.428-08:00If not going to church regularly makes you a heath...If not going to church regularly makes you a heathen, then I am there with you. I am a Christian who loves Jesus and believes that God is hurt deeply by many of the corrupt things that go on in churches everyday. Things like you mentioned. I am a nurse working nights on weekends and have not been able to attend church on Sunday morning in years. I know God understands my heart for being home with my kids during the week...but I also know he wants me to fellowship with other believers in some way. Organized church may not be for you...it is God that gives us life and joy and purpose...wherever you find Him!<br />Thanks for your honesty!Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17292381619675040864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-52648133027852880622012-01-12T16:30:07.472-08:002012-01-12T16:30:07.472-08:00Well from one sister heathen to another, I must sa...Well from one sister heathen to another, I must say that the only true church I attend on a regular basis is my own body. My body is a temple and God is in my heart. I don't even have to drag my mangy butt out of bed on Sunday morning to go worship him.<br /><br />The second Pastor we had assigned as councelor on our job (and you know was line of work I was in) was having a new house built. It seemed that the contractor built houses for ministers at cost. Well a light bulb went on in my head and my mouth started to workin up the words and before I could think about what I was fixing to say, out they blurted. I said "It doesn't seem fair that the contractor loses and you gain to profit from his loss." Well he snapped back at me with "And why am I not entitled to make a profit off of the sale of my house but you are?" I think I was taken aback, dumb struck. That was the day I had to re-evaluate my beliefs to see if they were in alignment with the churches covenents. And they weren't. <br /><br />One Sunday morning when I sat down in the same pew I had always sat in, I saw a piece of paper sticking up out of the hymnal. It was a list of my church covenants. My husband leaned in and we began to read the list together. When I was done reading I just looked at him. It almost felt like I was being put on notice. I like to clap my hands in church when a person performs a beautiful song and it moves me. No clapping allowed in church. I like to play cards. No card playing allowed. I love to dance. No dancing allowed. I like a drink every now and then. No partaking of the spirits. When we got home we had a long talk. I felt duped. I had always gone to that church. I was a Sunbeam. We were all Baptised there. My sister married there. That was the day of reckoning for me. <br /><br />The preacher was right though. If the contractor wanted to keep on building houses at cost for preachers so the preachers could resell them and profit. Who am I to judge someone who gains while at the expense of another's loss. That's God's job. But I told God I don't think that is right regardless.<br /><br />And you are right about the Bible. Anyone who is not hell bent on taking every word as fact and has an education knows that the Bible is a wonderful book of knowledge, lessons, praise and warnings. Translations have changed through the years and the books are incomplete. <br /><br />I've even had the "Come back to church" and "You need the fellowship" visits and well I just don't need to be preached about removing the splinter from my eye when they can't see the log in their own.<br /><br />I love God. He has given me the spirit of discernment. I know right from wrong and good from evil. And he knows every gray hair on my head. So if that makes me a heathen well then...move over and make room for one more on that pew of life. ~Love ya! Mean it!~Ames <br /><br />P.S. Great "H" post Judie!Ameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15074479473400202674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5464278377527384610.post-76651792275507758572012-01-12T16:19:12.687-08:002012-01-12T16:19:12.687-08:00That's why I always capitalize the word Nature...That's why I always capitalize the word <i>Nature,</i> and I'm always saying I'm one with it. I roll with the punches of life.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14692103477055483000noreply@blogger.com